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Anonymous20
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for god's sake ... Do they know what they are talking about?

And you never optimize a new website. Optimization of any kind (if needed) is the last step for a finished and stable site.

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MoonShadows
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@Anonymous20 send Cloudways your .png image.

I had someone optimize my site when I hosted with SiterGround b/c it was so slow. Didn't help much. Then, I migrated over to Cloudways.

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MoonShadows
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@Anonymous20

Cloudways cache de is a header which is passed when breeze and varnish work together. Even though I excluded the forum from being cached in both breeze and varnish, there recommendation was to totally disable breeze and varnish if I want the Cloudways cache de to stop functioning.

This may or may not solve the problem with my forum, but if it does, the trade off will be a slower loading of pages, one reason I went to Cloudways in the first place.

Although, testing is not a bad thing. So, I am going to fully disable Breeze and Varnish caches and see what the result s are as far as forum performance and site speed. I can always reverse course, right?

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Anonymous20
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@moonshadows

You do realize that i m just guessing things remotely ๐Ÿ™‚

As for the rest, 99% of the issues i see here (and in other complicated plugins like wpForo) come from optimizations. So i think that any kind of caching and optimizations would be the last step of a stable site. You can't debug a heavily optimized Wordpress with plugins.

And if you need optimizations for your site to be reasonably fast, then switch to an other hosting. Slowness happens to medium and large sites.

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MoonShadows
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@Massimo Oh yes, I realize that. But, we have to try different things, right? I can always reactivate Breeze and Varnish, re-exclude the forum from being cached by them, if this shows no forum improvement to my problems.

So far, totally disabling Breeze and Varnish, I see no visible slow down in site performance, but I also see no improvement in seeing the forum avatars either.

My site is still rather small with 48 pages, 140 blog posts, and the forum in 10 months, but I do expect it to grow. So far, I have used Bluehost, SiteGround and now Cloudways. Cloudways has been a vast improvement over the other two which were slow, and with Bluehost my site was often totally unavailable, but Bluehost and SiteGound were shared hosting. So, like I said yesterday, you get what you pay for.

I don't mind playing around with different settings, tools, etc. Rome wasn't built in a day. Today, I think most folks want the immediate fix to website problems, not realizing how complicated it is trying to get all the different aspects to coordinate and play nice.

You have a good day if we don't speak again. It's 7:30am here, and I need to get some other work done. I will monitor things when I have a chance throughout the day.

I always appreciate your help!

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